The Joy of Riffing: Real Conversations and the Value of Collaboration

There is something that always brings a smile to my face when I look at my calendar and see the words Record with Donya. Our monthly conversations on Real Riffs with Donya Ball have become one of the most rewarding and enriching creative collaborations I have experienced. We have now recorded six episodes, and I genuinely look forward to each opportunity to connect, reflect, and explore the realities of educational leadership.

What I especially appreciate is how naturally our conversations unfold. We have reached the point where there is no elaborate preparation, no scripted questions, and no predetermined agenda. We simply hit record and start riffing. There is something refreshing about allowing a conversation to develop organically, particularly when both participants bring trust, mutual respect, and a willingness to listen.

The Art of Riffing

I often think about the similarities between our conversations and a jazz jam session. Great improvisation requires more than individual talent. It requires deep listening, trust, and an understanding of what another musician brings to the performance. One musician introduces an idea, another builds upon it, and something new emerges through the collaboration.

That is the dynamic I value in working with Donya. We challenge and expand each other’s thinking in a supportive and trusting environment. Donya brings thoughtful perspectives and a wealth of leadership experience to our conversations, and I appreciate how our exchanges often lead me to consider ideas from a different angle. We are not competing for the spotlight. We are simply having meaningful conversations and learning from one another.

The Sixth Riff: Getting Into the Real Stuff

Our latest episode, The Sixth Riff: Educelebrity Culture, Brokenness, and the Courage to Lead, explores some challenging realities of educational leadership.

We examine the educelebrity phenomenon and the tension between visibility, recognition, and authentic leadership. We also discuss the brokenness that leaders sometimes experience in education, including disappointment, isolation, and the challenge of maintaining a sense of purpose when the work becomes difficult.

These are conversations that deserve more attention. We approach them with honesty, reflection, and a willingness to acknowledge that neither of us has all the answers. That is the spirit of Real Riffs. We are unflinchingly real about the profession we care deeply about and the human experiences that accompany leadership.

Looking Ahead

I am excited that our next episode in November will be recorded in person! After six virtual conversations, it will be a welcome opportunity to continue our discussions in the same room. We will maintain the approach that has worked so well for us: no script, no agenda, and plenty of room for spontaneous conversation.

I am grateful for this collaboration and for everyone who has listened and supported Real Riffs. This experience continues to reinforce something I believe deeply about leadership and creativity. Meaningful collaboration grows through trust, reciprocity, and the willingness to make room for another person’s voice.

Sometimes the best ideas emerge when we stop trying to control every moment and simply listen to one another. That is what makes a good jazz session, a good conversation, and a good collaboration.

Listen to The Sixth Riff

The Sixth Riff: Educelebrity Culture, Brokenness, and the Courage to Lead

🎧 YouTube:
https://youtu.be/FMei4pggSEE

🍎 Apple Podcasts:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-sixth-riff-educelebrity-culture-brokenness/id1891174949?i=1000795835232

🟢 Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5K563HhNFouJyYOwjmmKDh?si=msTk3e6vRKqPRfq63v6dHA

We appreciate every listen, share, review, and subscription. Please subscribe so you do not miss our November episode, when we will be recording together in person!

Thank you for supporting Real Riffs and being part of these conversations!

The Return of “Why The Beatles Matter” Podcast

Some music never leaves us.

Over the past few weeks, I have found myself returning again and again to The Beatles. Not simply as albums or songs, but as companions through different seasons of life.

Hearing “Two of Us” recently in “Project Hail Mary” brought me to tears. The song landed differently this time. Maybe that is what great music does. It grows alongside us.

With “Revolver” turning 60 this summer and the announcement of the upcoming 3 Savile Row fan experience in London, it feels like the right time to bring back “Why The Beatles” for a new season of conversations, reflections, stories, creativity, memory, and belonging.

This is not about nostalgia alone.
It is about why this music still matters.
Why it still connects.
Why it still inspires.
Why it still helps us feel human.

Season 2 is on the way. Please subscribe on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Stay tuned!

So Long to The Principal Liner Notes Podcast

Leadership can feel isolating, a reality that can weigh heavily. I’ve often thought of the solitude woven into the journey, wondering how we might transcend it. Over my 17 years as a principal, I’ve felt the weight of those lonely moments—losing connections, facing personal and professional scrutiny, and confronting doubts. Those moments brought a quiet determination to build something that could foster the connection we so often miss in leadership. Thus, The Principal Liner Notes Podcast was born.

When I began the podcast, I recorded episodes solo on my phone, using the Anchor app, talking into the mic about the universal threads between music and leadership. I imagined each episode as a conversation with a fellow leader who needed to hear, “You’re not alone, and your work matters.” Each riff, every anecdote about The Beatles or Miles Davis, was my way of saying, This is for you. Over time, the podcast evolved into a space to build true connections. I began inviting guests I admired, creating what I called “Connected Conversations”—an open invitation to join in reflection and connection.

One of the great joys of the podcast was finding myself with guests who became more than interviewees; they became friends. These were colleagues and mentors from my Professional Learning Network who so generously offered their time, insights, and encouragement. My heartfelt thanks go to each guest who trusted this modest podcast, sharing their stories and making themselves heard. I’ll always treasure those deeply personal conversations, some stretching an hour or two before we even pressed record. These moments of openness and support felt like meeting up at a record store or a quiet coffee shop—creating a space where ideas sparked and spirits connected. I’m profoundly grateful for every guest and for every listener who tuned in, showing up and sharing your thoughts. You were there in those moments, and that connection has left an indelible mark.

I remember my good friend and five-time guest, Lauren Kaufman, perfectly articulating what I hoped the podcast would be: a place to reflect, grow, and connect with others. Her words about the trajectory of the powerful moments we have shared on the podcast have stayed with me, especially as I consider what comes next. She described what I had felt but struggled to express. For that, I’m grateful to her and to every member of my PLN who has taken the time to share an episode, write a note, or repost my reflections. Together, we created a community—one rooted in the idea that each of us, in sharing a piece of ourselves, makes leadership a little less solitary.

This farewell is also a reflection on gratitude. The Principal Liner Notes Podcast was more than a podcast; it was a creative outlet and a chance to share a love of music and leadership. It allowed me to honor the musicians and leaders who have inspired me and to dive into my own passions with renewed enthusiasm. As I step back from this chapter, I’m left with the richness of these experiences, deeply appreciative of the community that has supported me. Maybe these episodes will form the foundation for a future book or a revival of the series one day. Until then, I’m excited to continue exploring new creative paths. Projects like Hope Amplified with my good friend Meghan Lawson, and Chords of Connection, a solo podcast centered on music and storytelling, are on the horizon, and I look forward to seeing where those journeys lead.

The spirit of this transition reminds me of Simon & Garfunkel’s farewell anthem, “So Long, Frank Lloyd Wright,” a tender goodbye from their final album. It’s a nod to the end of an era, yet it carries the anticipation of what lies ahead in their individual creative paths. This podcast, in that same spirit, is about moving forward—grateful for what’s been and inspired for what’s next.

In reflecting on this transition, I’m reminded of the late Tom Snyder and his poignant final episode of Tomorrow. He signed off with dignity and a sense of gratitude that I hope to echo here. With each episode, I tried to foster meaning and connection, and as I bring The Principal Liner Notes Podcast to a close, I leave with the same sense of gratitude and hope for the connections yet to come. My goal is to continue sharing those connections through future podcast projects—and maybe even a new book. These chapters, filled with purpose, leave me deeply thankful for the music, leaders, and each of you who have been part of this journey.

To my listeners, thank you for being there—whether on a morning walk, a drive, or a quiet afternoon. Your choice to press play, to share these reflections, has meant the world. And as I sign off, I leave with this message: “Don’t forget to share your thoughts, words, ideas, and dreams with the world. The world needs them, and YOU make it a better place.”

Thank you for listening, for tuning in, for connecting, and for making leadership a little less lonely.

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